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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:04:00 -
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Baver Juice wrote:Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?
Yes
and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through aaliance gate camps.
Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join? |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:07:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.
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HAHAHAHA LOLOLOLOL HARR HARR HARR .... COUGH cough ...
Whew... I spit tea all over my monitor that time..... |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:20:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Baver Juice wrote:Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT? Yes and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps. Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join? This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.
Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery.
I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:30:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Baver Juice wrote:Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT? Yes and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps. Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join? This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news. Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery. I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses. If it were a mystery then I suspect that every MMO ever wouldn't have simultaneously figured out how to use it to generate money for its developers.
You just misdirected the line of discussion to the interests of the developers... but we were discussing the SUBSCRIBERS' interests.. I restate that why a SUBSCRIBER would rationally pay to perform the role of SERF is a mystery. I also restate that I believe it is only because the new subscriber is unaware of the real power structure in zero that he does this. He does not at first recognize his serfdom.
Once the general population of EVE understands this, they might very well be willing to pay a subscription just for the chance to unify and sweep the trash out of zero. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:54:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Or they might be willing to pay a subscription fee just to play the game because they like it without regard to your personal gripes about null sec space politics in EVE Online a serious business game about spaceships. I mean, someone out there has to be paying CCP real money for subscriptions. I know that none of my squad mates actually pay real money for EVE, and I doubt many members of my corporation or alliance do either.
Oh I use Plex bought with isk for my sub too, but I am sure that new players pay cash for their sub and why they would use it to support the theives and scammers of zero can only be due to ignorance on their part. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:55:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass.
I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:59:00 -
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Proteus Maximus wrote:Quote:Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join? Not in a million fking years.
Now there... You see? This gentleman has BALLS! He is clearly educated and WILL NOT SUBMIT.
VICTORY! One pilot at a time. Maybe in time he and others will organize and wipe the oppressing Oligarchs out of zero.
Anyway I'll keep posting for it. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:04:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass. I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery. And yet you perpetrate it by paying for your account with PLEX. I am at least honest with my indifference to "noob slavery".
No.. YOU are just a small useless cog who slaves away on one of the largest plantations in zero.
I really don't know how you can look yourself in the mirror each morning given such low self esteem. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:10:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Sebero Sinak wrote: I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.
I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.
I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.
Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.
First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.
The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that theyGÇÖre peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.
RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.
Then thereGÇÖs the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.
Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a playerGÇÖs point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a gameGÇÖs resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.
There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them. I do not support the use of bots, but the arguments you make against them are rubbish. A thing that Person A has does not invalidate the effort of Person B just because Person B does not have it, when it is entirely possible for Person B to acquire it. In this case, the "thing" is a bot. In order for RMT and botting to hurt the economy, there would have to be a monopoly by Person A or Group A on the RMT behavior or botting software. I am going to assume that this is not the case. So long as you, me, or anyone else so inclined can pick up a bot or engage in RMT then there exists no advantage or upset in favor of those who already do bot or RMT, except the advantage we give them by not participating. You are trying to white-knight the issue because it's the "good guy" thing to do, while framing your arguments in term of pragmatism that simply does not exist.
as if your counter arguement to that gents arguement isn't "full of rubbish" (as you put it). Really, anyone who can't see that botting distorts a game is pretty much an idiot. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:14:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass. I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery. And yet you perpetrate it by paying for your account with PLEX. I am at least honest with my indifference to "noob slavery". No.. YOU are just a small useless cog who slaves away on one of the largest plantations in zero. I really don't know how you can look yourself in the mirror each morning given such low self esteem. I don't slave away in the space plantations or whatever the hell your gimmick is. I hardly even log in to this game. When I do, I fly Rifters and lead fleets of Rifters to do things that have no strategic importance. But even if I was a cog in the works, what of it? There is nothing wrong with being part of a group and enjoying your place in it. I'm a military veteran in real lifeGÇöyou're not going to convince me that teamwork and group cohesion while working towards a common goal are bad things. I doubt you will even convince the average kid reading this forum. What you will do is give me reasons to post, which in turn will increase my opportunities to receive "likes" here on the forums DOT eveonline DOT com.
So you hardly log in? (snicker)
and you ARE a small useless tool.... you just admitted it. (snicker, snicker)
AND YOU'RE A REAL MILITARY VET (BWAHAHAHAHA! SNICKER, SNICKER)
You really must have a small *****. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:17:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...
UNLESS...
Yes... they have small penises. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:26:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
So you hardly log in? (snicker)
and you ARE a small useless tool.... you just admitted it. (snicker, snicker)
AND YOU'RE A REAL MILITARY VET (BWAHAHAHAHA! SNICKER, SNICKER)
You really must have a small *****.
It's true, it's pretty small. I have a fetish for Male-to-Female pre-op transsexuals with penises significantly larger than mine.
See now? That confession wasn't hard at all. And when you can admit to yourself how badly you are being used by your Masters, you'll be able to overcome your Stockholm Syndrome and join the Revolution like all the other self respecting podpilots of EVE. Chin up Comrade.. you aren't totally lost yet. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:43:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:
So you hardly log in? (snicker)
and you ARE a small useless tool.... you just admitted it. (snicker, snicker)
AND YOU'RE A REAL MILITARY VET (BWAHAHAHAHA! SNICKER, SNICKER)
You really must have a small *****.
It's true, it's pretty small. I have a fetish for Male-to-Female pre-op transsexuals with penises significantly larger than mine. See now? That confession wasn't hard at all. And when you can admit to yourself how badly you are being used by your Masters, you'll be able to overcome your Stockholm Syndrome and join the Revolution like all the other self respecting podpilots of EVE. Chin up Comrade.. you aren't totally lost yet. Or I can just ignore your hurf blurf and play tanks.
Good idea. At least there you might not be a lemming... unless... oh wait. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:55:00 -
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See now? That confession wasn't hard at all. And when you can admit to yourself how badly you are being used by your Masters, you'll be able to overcome your Stockholm Syndrome and join the Revolution like all the other self respecting podpilots of EVE. Chin up Comrade.. you aren't totally lost yet.[/quote]
Or I can just ignore your hurf blurf and play tanks.[/quote]
Good idea. At least there you might not be a lemming... unless... oh wait.
QUOTING LYRIS NAIRN:
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Again it sounds like your problem is that people like to play games together and work toward common goals.[/quote]
Sounds to me like you are a Goon with a small ***** who must play games with his SomethingAwful Posse because to do so individually would highlight his tremendous personal inadequacies. |
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